The Wizard wrote:You folks should try potentiating Kratom by using the health supplement DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA), a 50/50 mixture of the D- and L-forms of the amino acid Phenylalanine.
DLPA is known to enhance the brain's production of endorphins, dopamine and adrenaline and has been shown repeatedly in studies to potentiate Opiates.
Knowing this I preload on 1-3 grams of DL-Phenylalanine a half hour to an hour or more before my usual dose of Kratom. I find my resulting Kratom buzz stronger and more stimulating.
I also preload on Tagamet or Grapefruit juice and Tums tablets prior to my dose of Kratom.
I recall reading somewhere that Rhodiola affects Opioid systems too so it might also work as a Kratom potentiator...
The Wizard wrote:By the way, DLPA (DL-Phenylalanine) is available for much cheaper online in powdered form than it is when sold at stores in tablet/capsule form. PM me if you need an online source for it. It's truly a crime how much stores are overcharging for DLPA in pill form when powdered DLPA is so readily available online for a tiny fraction of the cost. The same is true of Rhodiola- that one could get it at the store in pill form and pay an arm or a leg or buy it online in powdered form for much, much cheaper....
So anyways, if you want to try out DLPA make sure you've got B-complex vitamins handy too because your body needs to have certain B vitamins in it to make the DLPA absorb well. So pop a few B-complex vitamins (I say a few because some brands of vitamins are very weak and ineffective) and give it time to absorb into your system then try swallowing 1-2 grams of DLPA. Make sure you have an empty stomach when you swallow the DLPA because having food in your stomach messes up its absorption. I hear having vitamin C in your system also helps DLPA work better. An hour after you've taken your DLPA and are fully feeling it try some Kratom.
I don't know if DLPA actually boosts the opioid aspect of Kratom but it certainly boosts the energizing aspect (since DLPA enhances adrenaline and dopamine). And I dunno about you guys but I like my Kratom buzzes to be energetic not lazy. You can find studies online that show DLPA to help endorphin release and thus boost opioids if patients take DLPA and an opioid together. I only recall it saying the DLPA boosted the opioid's painkilling ability, not that it boosted the actual euphoria but who knows...
Make sure whenever you eat Kratom that you have an empty stomach. Food will make it kick in slower and be milder. Also heating your Kratom to make a tea may weaken it so I just toss n wash my Kratom or mix it with a cold drink (a really sweet cappucino works well). Other stuff you can preload on to boost Kratom is white grapefruit juice or Tagamet tablets and chewing Tums. Swallow 2 or 3 Tagamet tablets an hour before taking your Kratom or drink a cup of grapefruit juice every 20 or 30 minutes or so for a few hours (you drink the gfj for a few hours so that your body is slowly building up more and more of it) prior to dosing on Kratom. As I recall Tagamet and grapefruit juice potentiate Kratom through a similar mechanism so you only need to use one, not both of them. Then a little while before taking your Kratom chew on a few Tums tablets. The grapefruit juice/Tagamet/Tums combo should make your Kratom buzz last longer and be more intense.
What's your normal dosage of Rhodiola like? And you've tried Siberian or Chinese Rhodiola?
Zombiesoul wrote:YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE DL-PA WITH CYMBALTA, EFFEXOR, REBOXETINE OR ADDERALL UNLESS YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO REVERSE A HYPERTENSIVE CRISIS!
It's a horror-show, believe me.
However, on the benefits side, I once took DL-PA for a month and then went on a regimen of tramadol (which hasweak norepinephrine reuptake-blocking effects). Any excessive stimulation was counteracted by serious analgesia (and I am not someone who normally "feels" this stuff). I actually was almost nodding-out.
If you have a good physician straight D-phenny can be prescribed. You can also hunt it down on the 'Net.
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